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Post by shakemaki on Nov 25, 2024 17:15:54 GMT -5
Iβm honestly hoping for a super slow January atp in terms of new hits bc Iβd like to see stuff like DWAS, BOAF, maybe even Taste all finally get to #1 on the h100 after all this ABS reign of terror blockage.
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Post by Mayman on Nov 25, 2024 17:17:46 GMT -5
What would you suggest they do? Maybe make the overall radio audience impressions less significant in the formula? The Hot 100 should use the audience impressions from the Pop chart, not from the Country or Hot AC chart. Country has its own chart and Hot AC has its own chart. The Hot 100 should reflect the audience impressions from Pop radio only, and of course streaming and sales. Girl what the fuck? That would make the chart inaccurate. So let's just fuck over the country, rock, rap, and r&b tracks to favor the songs on the already most chart influencing format? |
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Post by renaboss on Nov 25, 2024 17:18:25 GMT -5
I still say they should cap songs off at 26 weeks in the top 10, regardless of how long they've charted in the overall Hot 100. If a song has spent six months in the uppermost region of the charts, it's hardly "hot". Six months is a very long time. Also, if a song goes recurrent, let it stay recurrent. "Blinding Lights" coming back in Jan 2021 was a joke.
They should also find a way to make it about "singles" again, or cap off entries at a maximum of 2-3 per lead artist per week, to avoid album bombs. So, if Taylor Swift releases an album, only the top 3 performing tracks debut that week. Maybe 3 more in the second week if they still qualify (they would), and so on.
Do the people who work at Billboard/tally the charts not get tired?
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Post by stormlover74 on Nov 25, 2024 17:18:43 GMT -5
Iβm honestly hoping for a super slow January atp in terms of new hits bc Iβd like to see stuff like DWAS, BOAF, maybe even Taste all finally get to #1 on the h100 after all this ABS reign of terror blockage. ABS is likely to return to #1 assuming radio doesn't drop. DWAS should compete too and of course will Kendrick's songs stick around |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 25, 2024 17:23:42 GMT -5
I still say they should cap songs off at 26 weeks in the top 10, regardless of how long they've charted in the overall Hot 100. If a song has spent six months in the uppermost region of the charts, it's hardly "hot". Six months is a very long time. Also, if a song goes recurrent, let it stay recurrent. "Blinding Lights" coming back in Jan 2021 was a joke. They should also find a way to make it about "singles" again, or cap off entries at a maximum of 2-3 per lead artist per week, to avoid album bombs. So, if Taylor Swift releases an album, only the top 3 performing tracks debut that week. Maybe 3 more in the second week if they still qualify (they would), and so on. Do the people who work at Billboard/tally the charts not get tired? The people who work at Billboard probably want an accurate chart each week. It isnβt up to them how it βlooksβ or all these arbitrary things people keep putting on the charts as long as the end result is accurate based on the tabulation methods they yse. Everything else is on the chart followers to be bothered about. |
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Nov 25, 2024 17:32:19 GMT -5
Honestly, DWAS will have an amazing longevity and will probably be one of THOSE 2020s hits, so who cares about #1, BOAF and Espresso also didn't reach the top - it's basically a norm for 2024's giant hits.
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Post by neel on Nov 25, 2024 17:35:01 GMT -5
I still say they should cap songs off at 26 weeks in the top 10, regardless of how long they've charted in the overall Hot 100. If a song has spent six months in the uppermost region of the charts, it's hardly "hot". Six months is a very long time. Also, if a song goes recurrent, let it stay recurrent. "Blinding Lights" coming back in Jan 2021 was a joke. They should also find a way to make it about "singles" again, or cap off entries at a maximum of 2-3 per lead artist per week, to avoid album bombs. So, if Taylor Swift releases an album, only the top 3 performing tracks debut that week. Maybe 3 more in the second week if they still qualify (they would), and so on. Do the people who work at Billboard/tally the charts not get tired? They really should have enforced another recurrent rule around 2022 when it became clear that radio was keeping songs that peaked nearly a year ago on playlists forever. Itβs insane how Billboard has absolutely no discipline in managing their charts. |
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Post by Gary on Nov 25, 2024 17:36:34 GMT -5
What would you suggest they do? Maybe make the overall radio audience impressions less significant in the formula? The Hot 100 should use the audience impressions from the Pop airplay chart, not from the Country or Hot AC airplay charts. C ountry has its own chart and Hot AC has its own chart. The Hot 100 should reflect the audience impressions from Pop radio only, and of course streaming and sales. pop has its own chart too |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 25, 2024 17:43:58 GMT -5
What would you suggest they do? Maybe make the overall radio audience impressions less significant in the formula? The Hot 100 should use the audience impressions from the Pop airplay chart, not from the Country or Hot AC airplay charts. Country has its own chart and Hot AC has its own chart. The Hot 100 should reflect the audience impressions from Pop radio only, and of course streaming and sales. The Hot 100 is intended to be a comprehensive chart, so eliminating airplay from genres would change the intent of the Hot 100. I still say they should cap songs off at 26 weeks in the top 10, regardless of how long they've charted in the overall Hot 100. If a song has spent six months in the uppermost region of the charts, it's hardly "hot". Six months is a very long time. Also, if a song goes recurrent, let it stay recurrent. "Blinding Lights" coming back in Jan 2021 was a joke. They should also find a way to make it about "singles" again, or cap off entries at a maximum of 2-3 per lead artist per week, to avoid album bombs. So, if Taylor Swift releases an album, only the top 3 performing tracks debut that week. Maybe 3 more in the second week if they still qualify (they would), and so on. Do the people who work at Billboard/tally the charts not get tired? The people who work at Billboard probably want an accurate chart each week. It isnβt up to them how it βlooksβ or all these arbitrary things people keep putting on the charts as long as the end result is accurate based on the tabulation methods they yse. Everything else is on the chart followers to be bothered about. Well, and isn't it more about what labels/etc want? Billboard charts are an industry tool, not something for chart watchers or even Billboard employers to determine. We likely following it all each week, but these charts aren't meant for us. |
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Post by avamaxstan on Nov 25, 2024 18:08:23 GMT -5
Disgusting chart result. The beginning of this year actually held promise for the Hot 100 becoming interesting again... and then one song spent the rest of the year parked at #1. A song that only topped streaming for one single day ever. A song that still hasn't reached 1B streams, far behind multiple smash songs that it blocked from #1. And then this week the predictable Christmas routine takes over for the rest of the year. The Hot 100 is truly over.
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 25, 2024 18:20:58 GMT -5
Disgusting chart result. The beginning of this year actually held promise for the Hot 100 becoming interesting again... and then one song spent the rest of the year parked at #1. A song that only topped streaming for one single day ever. A song that still hasn't reached 1B streams, far behind multiple smash songs that it blocked from #1. And then this week the predictable Christmas routine takes over for the rest of the year. The Hot 100 is truly over. You are aware there are streaming services other than Spotify, right? "A Bar Song" is well past 1 billion streams. It also topped Streaming Songs for 9 weeks. |
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Post by avamaxstan on Nov 25, 2024 18:27:26 GMT -5
Disgusting chart result. The beginning of this year actually held promise for the Hot 100 becoming interesting again... and then one song spent the rest of the year parked at #1. A song that only topped streaming for one single day ever. A song that still hasn't reached 1B streams, far behind multiple smash songs that it blocked from #1. And then this week the predictable Christmas routine takes over for the rest of the year. The Hot 100 is truly over. You are aware there are streaming services other than Spotify, right? "A Bar Song" is well past 1 billion streams. It also topped Streaming Songs for at least 6 weeks. You're probably also aware that Spotify is the only major streaming service that makes its data public, and Spotify also holds the largest market share. Because of this, the chart-watching community typically uses Spotify as the baseline for comparing streaming performance of different songs. |
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Post by professord87 on Nov 25, 2024 18:57:31 GMT -5
Before this week's country awards, ABS had been outside the top 15 on Spotify and Apple for weeks but still parked at #1
The system is broken af
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Nov 25, 2024 19:01:52 GMT -5
I don't care much about A Bar Song, but some people act like it has 5M streams and 100M airplay, it literally has 1 or 2M less streams than DWAS in its 32nd week and it's the most consumed song of the year in the US with 6M+ units already (yes, more than the YE #1 Lose Control and much more than "SOTY" Espresso).
Yes, hot 100 is tragiccccc with those 6months+ songs still in the top 10, but don't blame Billboard for that, since A Bar Song (#5), Espresso (#12), I Had Some Help (#9), Lose Control (#8), BOAF (#3) and Beautiful Things (#13) are still top 15 on streaming.
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Post by Mayman on Nov 25, 2024 19:14:34 GMT -5
Before this week's country awards, ABS had been outside the top 15 on Spotify and Apple for weeks but still parked at #1 The system is broken af Girl give it up. Amazon Music also exists and is a huge streaming service for country music. It's been consistently in the top 5/10 on radio, streaming, and sales for nearly its entire time at #1. Having three strong components in a weak time like this has made it have insane longevity at the top spot. I've already explained this to you before, to which you never responded, so you could continue to complain. New artists don't get "record weeks at #1" hits all the time, stop lying. It's rare af and they usually make sense Old Town Road had huge cultural impact. It's success made sense A Bar Song feels like a fart in the wind in comparison. Its success is fishy as hell. That's all I'm saying Never did I say that, you look like a fool. Please post some concrete evidence you have of its success not being real. Nearly a billion streams on Spotify, successful on many radio formats, organic sales, but it's payola because new Pulse user "professord87" says so. How about instead of calling the songs success fishy and payola driven you actually look into why it's successful instead of looking ridiculous? It appeals to many radio formats, which is helping its longevity on the Hot 100 because it has been so far ahead of everything. That's also why Last Night, a 16 week #1, was successful - it could appeal to Pop, Country, Hot AC, and AC all of which have the highest audience numbers of all the formats. Add in Rhythmic and Urban with ABS and the potential for radio was always going to be massive. It had the benefit of no follow up singles on radio to take away spins and audience until the last week or two, with "Highway" going to country radio on October 28 and "Drink Don't Need No Mix" going to Rhythmic radio on October 22. It's also streaming and selling well still despite having dominated this long. It would be #3 on Streaming Songs without the Tyler album bomb this week. Still #7 on Digital Sales as well and I'm pretty it's the top selling song of the year. It has spent weeks at #1 on all three of the component charts throughout its run. It's successful on all fronts. It has benefited from a relatively slow period on the charts as well, which is the reason it has been able to rack all these weeks at #1. Everything is relative, because this week at #1 would have barely gotten you into the top 10 in the spring of this year. Naturally the song that is consistently doing well on all three components will be spending a long time at #1. You feel as though this song is not noteworthy which can make total sense. I don't really care a ton for the song, so naturally I avoid it. I don't listen to the radio and choose what songs I listen to with Spotify. That's the case for most people. People are simply not streaming or listening to songs they DON'T want to hear. I think people continually feel the need for songs to be heard by all when that's not how people listen to music in the 2020s. Most people stream songs that aren't current in general. So please, quit with this need to fight with people about payola when you are just plain and simply wrong. Loud and wrong even. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 25, 2024 20:06:20 GMT -5
I don't care much about A Bar Song, but some people act like it has 5M streams and 100M airplay, it literally has 1 or 2M less streams than DWAS in its 32nd week and it's the most consumed song of the year in the US with 6M+ units already (yes, more than the YE #1 Lose Control and much more than "SOTY" Espresso). Yes, hot 100 is tragiccccc with those 6months+ songs still in the top 10, but don't blame Billboard for that, since A Bar Song (#5), Espresso (#12), I Had Some Help (#9), Lose Control (#8), BOAF (#3) and Beautiful Things (#13) are still top 15 on streaming. The streaming and sales for DWAS is good, but unfortunately, its cumulative radio audience this year is much less than for those songs you mentioned, which is not surprising given that it has charted less than half of the weeks of the other songs.
At least the incoming holiday songs will temporarily halt those songs with more than half a year from getting more weeks in the top 10. As has been the case the last few years, it will be interested to see what happens once the holiday songs go back into hibernation.
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Post by professord87 on Nov 25, 2024 21:27:13 GMT -5
Before this week's country awards, ABS had been outside the top 15 on Spotify and Apple for weeks but still parked at #1 The system is broken af Girl give it up. Amazon Music also exists and is a huge streaming service for country music. It's been consistently in the top 5/10 on radio, streaming, and sales for nearly its entire time at #1. Having three strong components in a weak time like this has made it have insane longevity at the top spot. I've already explained this to you before, to which you never responded, so you could continue to complain. Never did I say that, you look like a fool. Please post some concrete evidence you have of its success not being real. Nearly a billion streams on Spotify, successful on many radio formats, organic sales, but it's payola because new Pulse user "professord87" says so. How about instead of calling the songs success fishy and payola driven you actually look into why it's successful instead of looking ridiculous? It appeals to many radio formats, which is helping its longevity on the Hot 100 because it has been so far ahead of everything. That's also why Last Night, a 16 week #1, was successful - it could appeal to Pop, Country, Hot AC, and AC all of which have the highest audience numbers of all the formats. Add in Rhythmic and Urban with ABS and the potential for radio was always going to be massive. It had the benefit of no follow up singles on radio to take away spins and audience until the last week or two, with "Highway" going to country radio on October 28 and "Drink Don't Need No Mix" going to Rhythmic radio on October 22. It's also streaming and selling well still despite having dominated this long. It would be #3 on Streaming Songs without the Tyler album bomb this week. Still #7 on Digital Sales as well and I'm pretty it's the top selling song of the year. It has spent weeks at #1 on all three of the component charts throughout its run. It's successful on all fronts. It has benefited from a relatively slow period on the charts as well, which is the reason it has been able to rack all these weeks at #1. Everything is relative, because this week at #1 would have barely gotten you into the top 10 in the spring of this year. Naturally the song that is consistently doing well on all three components will be spending a long time at #1. You feel as though this song is not noteworthy which can make total sense. I don't really care a ton for the song, so naturally I avoid it. I don't listen to the radio and choose what songs I listen to with Spotify. That's the case for most people. People are simply not streaming or listening to songs they DON'T want to hear. I think people continually feel the need for songs to be heard by all when that's not how people listen to music in the 2020s. Most people stream songs that aren't current in general. So please, quit with this need to fight with people about payola when you are just plain and simply wrong. Loud and wrong even. Apple and Spotify are the biggest and most relevant streaming services in America. If you're not at least top 10 in both you have no business being #1 Amazon, a dead platform like pandora and radio payola shouldn't have this much impact in 2024 |
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Post by wavey. on Nov 25, 2024 21:33:38 GMT -5
Oh Shaboozey holdin'! Two black men tying the record. Wow.πͺπΎ
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Post by lurker2 on Nov 25, 2024 21:35:29 GMT -5
Girl give it up. Amazon Music also exists and is a huge streaming service for country music. It's been consistently in the top 5/10 on radio, streaming, and sales for nearly its entire time at #1. Having three strong components in a weak time like this has made it have insane longevity at the top spot. I've already explained this to you before, to which you never responded, so you could continue to complain. Apple and Spotify are the biggest and most relevant streaming services in America. If you're not at least top 10 in both you have no business being #1 Amazon, a dead platform like pandora and radio payola shouldn't have this much impact in 2024 Β As much as I find the idea of using Amazon muzic absurd, the numbers don't lie - evidently, plenty of people use it! |
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Post by Mayman on Nov 25, 2024 22:05:51 GMT -5
Girl give it up. Amazon Music also exists and is a huge streaming service for country music. It's been consistently in the top 5/10 on radio, streaming, and sales for nearly its entire time at #1. Having three strong components in a weak time like this has made it have insane longevity at the top spot. I've already explained this to you before, to which you never responded, so you could continue to complain. Apple and Spotify are the biggest and most relevant streaming services in America. If you're not at least top 10 in both you have no business being #1 Amazon, a dead platform like pandora and radio payola shouldn't have this much impact in 2024 Β Amazon Music had nearly 30 million US subscribers as of July 2023. Just because you don't use it doesn't mean others don't. It's a huge platform for country music and christmas music, a lot of the streams we're seeing for the christmas songs now come from Amazon Music and it's Alexa integration features. It's like you have this humiliation kink for being wrong about things you don't know about. Once again talking about that radio payola too with no evidence or proof - or bother to respond to my points about it. |
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Post by imbondz on Nov 25, 2024 22:08:56 GMT -5
I am coming close to quitting chartwatching. I will always love music...it just isn't even remotely fun/exciting to follow it anymore. Radio is dead and streaming is simultaneously volatile and boring. I'm probably just getting old lol Correct. It happens to all of us. I used to be obsessed with the charts. Knew every song in the top 100. Now I go weeks without checking the Hot 100. Rarely know every song in the top 20. |
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Post by shakemaki on Nov 25, 2024 22:16:13 GMT -5
Honestly, DWAS will have an amazing longevity and will probably be one of THOSE 2020s hits, so who cares about #1, BOAF and Espresso also didn't reach the top - it's basically a norm for 2024's giant hits. And all thanks to only two songs smh |
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Post by leonagwen on Nov 25, 2024 23:40:45 GMT -5
Billboard says that Bar Song Tipsy is a bigger hit?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 25, 2024 23:52:49 GMT -5
Insane how many people will cry at a song being popular despite no fowl play at hand. No big sales gimmicks, no big playlisting, it's got a lot of airplay yes but what confuses me is that - the song y'all want to got #1 - also has a lot of airplay behind it. So why is it fine for one and not the other?
Not once in this thread did I see people saying saying That's So True should be #1 even though that's actually the biggest song on streaming right now and y'all care sooo much about streaming being more representative. And yet because some of y'all have voiced how much you don't like that song or Gracie, you let your subjective opinions cloud your mind and don't vouch for it even though it's undisputedly one of the biggest songs in the world right now. Honestly, I think I'd rather y'all say "I don't want A Bar Song at #1 because I don't like it" rather than trying to fabricate a narrative it isn't organically popular. At least that would be more honest.
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Post by gs on Nov 26, 2024 1:09:47 GMT -5
Die With A Smile is definitely bigger in the US than ABS right now, even if only slightly. (This week must have been <1 point separation anyway).
Shaboozey gets 6 points from Pandora programmed while DWAS gets less than 3, and of course it has tons more Amazon which is weighted very strongly as premium streams despite being ~half programmed/playlisting/label controlled shenanigans.
Plus, even with 15 million more audience impressions, that's still a 'fake' / made-up estimated metric compared to streaming which no one has the real numbers for. The same thing here happened with Levitating and Leave The Door Open, where Levitating was clearly bigger but lost thanks to radio audience.
The formula is literally completely arbitrary at the end of the day. There's no need to defend an arbitrary formula that over-indexes on Amazon streams and fake airplay impressions as gospel for what's bigger during a given week.
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Post by Darkest Hour on Nov 26, 2024 2:12:51 GMT -5
Honestly it's difficult to sympathize with the loss of DWAS here as two new versions were available for download with discounts and it became the fastest song to hit 1 billion on Spotify past week, so you would think the fan groups of both artists will be more motivated to buy them but it has shown that they made little impact unlike versions for yes, and/hiss/lose control on sales.
Also echo an earlier point that removing radio will not lead to #1 for DWAS anyway.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 26, 2024 2:23:02 GMT -5
Reasons ABS is #1:
-big extra format in airplay (country)
-big chunk of streams coming from Amazon and Pandora
Obviously ABS is still a legitimate #1, I am not denying that, but as a Gaga fan it just seems frustrating because DWAS can never compete with a country airplay hit that does well enough on other formats too. Anyway, I guess it tells something that the three biggest Hot 100 hits of the recent 5 years are Old Town Road (rap/country hybrid), Last Night (pop country) and A Bar Song (rap/country) - you need the country OR hip hop airplay to make it that far.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 26, 2024 6:44:49 GMT -5
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