Billboard Hot 100: 11/30/2024

[Enigma.]

They can if they have great pop/AC airplay too, which is not always the case. For instance, Jelly Roll's I Am Not Okay has reached #3 in airplay because it has some in addition to country support. Country alone can give around 40M in audience impressions. If IANO takes off on pop, which I cannot see happening at this point, it'd easily be top 2 in airplay and very long runner there. Big pop + country support = 80M in AI by default.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 25, 2024 23:40:45 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Billboard says that Bar Song Tipsy is a bigger hit?

What are you not understanding booboo?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Nov 26, 2024 1:09:47 GMT -5 gs said:

Die With A Smile is definitely bigger in the US than ABS right now, even if only slightly. (This week must have been <1 point separation anyway).

Shaboozey gets 6 points from Pandora programmed while DWAS gets less than 3, and of course it has tons more Amazon which is weighted very strongly as premium streams despite being ~half programmed/playlisting/label controlled shenanigans.

Plus, even with 15 million more audience impressions, that's still a 'fake' / made-up estimated metric compared to streaming which no one has the real numbers for. The same thing here happened with Levitating and Leave The Door Open, where Levitating was clearly bigger but lost thanks to radio audience.

The formula is literally completely arbitrary at the end of the day. There's no need to defend an arbitrary formula that over-indexes on Amazon streams and fake airplay impressions as gospel for what's bigger during a given week.

So for anyone who doesn’t like radio’s inclusion in determining how big a song is for a given week for whatever reason, there’s a streaming chart. Use that.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

BUBBLING UNDER
#1. NLE Choppa - Gang Baby (DEBUT)
#2. Lil Baby - 5AM (DEBUT)
#3. Rauw Alejandro - Ni Me Conozco (DEBUT)
#4. Ty Myers - Ends of the Earth (-1)
#5. PARTYNEXTDOOR - Dreamin (-4)
#6. Thomas Rhett feat. Teddy Swims - Somethin' 'Bout A Woman (DEBUT)
#7. Linkin Park - Two Faced (DEBUT)
#8. Rauw Alejandro and Alexis y Fido - Baja Pa' Acá (DEBUT)
#9. Rauw Alejandro and Pharrell Williams - Committed (DEBUT)
#10. George Birge - Cowboy Songs (-3)
#11. Rauw Alejandro, Marconi Impara and Yan Block - Espresso Martini (DEBUT)
#12. Blake Shelton - Texas (DEBUT)
#13. Parmalee - Gonna Love You (-5)
#14. Rauw Alejandro - Amar de Nuevo (DEBUT)
#15. Gabito Ballesteros, Natanael Cano, Neton Vega, and Luis R Conriquez - Presidente (-10)
#16. Dylan Marlowe and Dylan Scott - Boys Back Home (-6)
#17. Rauw Alejandro - Cosa Nuestra (DEBUT)
#18. Julión Álvarez - Regalo de Dias (-4)
#19. Ella Mai - Little Things (-13)
#20. A$AP Rocky feat. Imogen Heap and Clams Casino - I Smoked Away My Brain (+5)
#21. Jorsshh and Fuerza Regida - ROSONES (DEBUT)
#22. Tito Double P and Chino Pacas - ESCAPATE (-9)
#23. Rauw Alejandro - Mil Mujeres (DEBUT)
#24. Alex Warren - Carry You Home (-9)
#25. GloRilla - LET HER COOK (-8)

[dremolus - solarpunk]

DEBUTS
#34. Rauw Alejandro and Bad Bunny – Qué Pasaría...
#41. Tate McRae - 2 hands
#53. JIN - Running Wild
#55. Lil Baby - Insecurities
#60. Rauw Alejandro and Romeo Santos - Khé?
#68. Juice WRLD and Nicki Minaj - AGATS2 (Insecure)
#69. Rauw Alejandro – Tú Con Él
#71. Shaboozey - Good News
#82. Rauw Alejandro and Laura Pausini - Se Fue
#88. Rauw Alejandro and Feid - Revolú
#96. Rauw Alejandro - Déjame Entrar
#97. Brooks & Dunn with Morgan Wallen - Neon Moon

Gained in Points:
#22. The Marías - No One Noticed (+46) *NEW PEAK*
#24. Wham! - Last Christmas (+14)
#35. Tyler the Creator feat. Lola Young - Like Him (+11)
#44. Tate McRae - It's ok I'm ok (+11)
#62. Jelly Roll - Liar (+12) *NEW PEAK*
#80. Lainey Wilson - 4x4xU (+17) *NEW PEAK*

Notable Losses:
#37. Tyler the Creator feat. Daniel Caesar - St. Chroma (-14)
#46. Ella Langley feat. Riley Green - you look like you love me (-11)
#51. Zach Bryan - High Road (-22)
#57. Tyler the Creator feat. Teezo Touchdown - Darling, I (-14)
#67. Tito Double P and Peso Pluma - DOS DÍAS (-1)
#70. Tyler the Creator - Rah Tah Tah (-22)
#75. Tyler the Creator feat. ScHoolboy Q and Santigold - Thought I Was Dead (-15)
#78. BossMan Dlow - Shake Dat Ass (Twerk Song) (-12)
#84. Tyler the Creator - Noid (-19)
#90. Peso Pluma and Neton Vega - LA PATRULLA (-14)
#91. Tito Double P - EL LOKERON (-16)
#92. Zach Bryan - 28 (-23)
#93. Don Toliver - New Drop (-12)
#99. Tyler the Creator feat. Doechii - Balloon (-10)

Re-entries:
#16. Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas is You
#23. Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree
#47. Andy Williams - It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year
#48. Burl Ives - A Holly Jolly Christmas
#74. Linkin Park - The Emptiness Machine

Notable Dropouts:
Austin (36 weeks)
Pink Skies (25 weeks)
KEHLANI (21 weeks)
Mamushi (20 weeks)
prove it (19 weeks)
Nel (14 weeks)

Biggest Gain in Streaming: No One Noticed
Biggest Gain in Airplay: Beautiful as You
Biggest Gain in Sales: I'm Gonna Love You

Gained in Points:
#2. Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars - Die With A Smile (=)
#8. Sabrina Carpenter - Taste (=)
#11. Tyler the Creator feat. GloRilla, Sexyy Red, and Lil Wayne - Sticky (+6)
#14. The Weeknd and Playboi Carti - Timeless (=)
#17. GloRilla and Sexyy Red - WHATCHU KNO ABOUT ME (+9) *NEW PEAK*
#20. Myles Smith - Stargazing (=)
#25. Gigi Perez - Sailor Song (-3)
#26. Billie Eilish - WILDFLOWER (-1)
#28. Sabrina Carpenter - Bed Chem (+2)
#36. Koe Wetzel and Jessie Murph - High Road (-2)
#43. Tucker Wetmore - Wind Up Missin' You (-3)
#50. Thomas Rhett - Beautiful As You (+3) *NEW PEAK*
#55. The Weeknd - Dancing in the Flames (-3)
#58. Zach Top - I Never Lie (=)
#59. Lady Gaga - Disease (-3)
#61. Sabrina Carpenter - Juno (+3)
#64. Summer Walker - Heart of a Woman (-3)
#65. Cody Johnson and Carrie Underwood - I'm Gonna Love You (-2)
#72. GloRilla and T-Pain - I LUV HER (+7)
#76. Teddy Swims - Bad Dreams (-4)
#85. Gunna - him all along (-2)
#86. Megan Moroney - Am I Okay? (=)

[Gary]

For the Shaboozey fans in this thread

They had last call in Canada for 'A Bar Song'

After 25 nonconsecutive weeks at #1, Shaboozey is now #2

New #1 is Gracie Abrams with 'That's So True'

[Enigma.]

Surprised that the album release didn't give Linkin Park any additional Hot 100 songs.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Nov 26, 2024 7:25:02 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Nov 26, 2024 2:23:02 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Reasons ABS is #1:
-big extra format in airplay (country)
-big chunk of streams coming from Amazon and Pandora

Obviously ABS is still a legitimate #1, I am not denying that, but as a Gaga fan it just seems frustrating because DWAS can never compete with a country airplay hit that does well enough on other formats too. Anyway, I guess it tells something that the three biggest Hot 100 hits of the recent 5 years are Old Town Road (rap/country hybrid), Last Night (pop country) and A Bar Song (rap/country) - you need the country OR hip hop airplay to make it that far.

Based on what you just said, is there any adjustmemts that Billboard can do to their chart formula or will big Country hits always have an advantage on the Hot 100?

I hope you know that the pop airplay you so hold dearly still has Good Luck Babe, Please Please Please, The Door, Beautiful Things, Espresso, BIRDS OF A FEATHER, A Bar Song (Tipsy), Too Sweet, and Star Gazing in THE TOP 15, despite all those songs having charted for more than 22 weeks, in Espresso and Too Sweet's case for more 30 weeks (ABS will hit 30 next week), and for Beautiful Things having been there for 42 goddamn weeks!

[stormlover74]

Nov 26, 2024 7:49:23 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Nov 26, 2024 1:09:47 GMT -5 gs said:

Die With A Smile is definitely bigger in the US than ABS right now, even if only slightly. (This week must have been <1 point separation anyway).

Shaboozey gets 6 points from Pandora programmed while DWAS gets less than 3, and of course it has tons more Amazon which is weighted very strongly as premium streams despite being ~half programmed/playlisting/label controlled shenanigans.

Plus, even with 15 million more audience impressions, that's still a 'fake' / made-up estimated metric compared to streaming which no one has the real numbers for. The same thing here happened with Levitating and Leave The Door Open, where Levitating was clearly bigger but lost thanks to radio audience.

The formula is literally completely arbitrary at the end of the day. There's no need to defend an arbitrary formula that over-indexes on Amazon streams and fake airplay impressions as gospel for what's bigger during a given week.

So for anyone who doesn’t like radio’s inclusion in determining how big a song is for a given week for whatever reason, there’s a streaming chart. Use that.

They would've hated 2001 to 2004 where the hot 100 was basically the airplay chart and pop and country rarely cracked the top 5 let alone went #1

[neel]

Would loved to see Hip Hop and R&B dominate like that again!

[jenglisbe]

Nov 26, 2024 2:12:51 GMT -5 Darkest Hour said:

Honestly it's difficult to sympathize with the loss of DWAS here as two new versions were available for download with discounts and it became the fastest song to hit 1 billion on Spotify past week, so you would think the fan groups of both artists will be more motivated to buy them but it has shown that they made little impact unlike versions for yes, and/hiss/lose control on sales.

Also echo an earlier point that removing radio will not lead to #1 for DWAS anyway.

To that end, I see that "A Bar Song" is #4 on the 11/30 sales chart while "DWAS" is #5. So, "ABS" sold more despite those new versions of "DAWS." This also means "ABS" was higher than "DWAS" in 2 of the 3 metrics.