HITS 6/28-6/29 EMINEM 600K

[Choco]

Great for Eminem, poor for Miley. This might end up being her lowest selling album. Good for Drake, he might do 200k.

[lugus15]

Jun 23, 2010 15:51:32 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Cyrus is trying to go from a wholesome girl next door, thanks to Hannah Montana, to someone who "can't be tamed." Sometimes an image shift like that works, other times it doesn't- it worked for Olivia Newton-John (when she became the "bad girl" in Grease and then had less-wholesome material), but others have been less successful.

Olivia Newton was already a grown up woman (with grown up fans), also she was already established as successful country act.

Other teen wholesome acts who succeeded in evolving were the R/B queens of the 90's (Monica, Brandy, Aaliyah) and they were able to achieve that mostly cause of the R/B fanbase.

Britney and Christina (and even tho that they have less sales with each succeeding album, if you take out Blackout in BS catalogue) mostly because they were absolutely huge in 99/00.

Also Cyrus has against her that she was a Disney star. Wait and see, just as she replaced Duff, I bet the Disney people already have her replacement ready.

Which is unfortunate, cause I do think that Cyrus is mature for her age, and could be a respectable artist in the making.

Jonas Brothers on the other hand can crawl into the whole they came.

[HolidayGuy]

^Yes, the Disney brand, whether she likes it or not, will stick with her, and this attempt to project this adult image when she's not even 18 yet... well, it's not the best move. I agree that she could be a decent act, but she's taking time off from music, anyhow, after this album, to concentrate on movies. Whatever happens, at least she was more of a phenomenon than Duff.

Olivia was a grown woman, but she still shifted from her girl-next-door pop/country image. Brandy and Monica did not move very far from the image they had when they first appeared on the scene. :) Spears' initial image was a sexy one, but she was more girl next door and sweet, at least before going a bit bananas, publicly. Aguilera tried getting "Dirrty" and we see how well that went for her in the USA- same with "Not Myself Tonight."

[tsw2008]

Isn't Miley quitting music anyways after this album to focus on acting ?

[sdot23]

Holy fuck Em...still killing it.

[kt1990]

Jun 23, 2010 14:40:22 GMT -5 michaelf25 said:

No mention of Sia's new album....too bad, it's amazing!

IKR? Easily the best Pop album of the year so far, yet it's going largely unrecognized by the public. I'm hoping for at least 15K/top 25 peak.

[heart]

Jun 23, 2010 16:10:29 GMT -5 tsw2008 said:

Isn't Miley quitting music anyways after this album to focus on acting ?

She said she's taking a break from music for a while to focus on acting. She has a few movies lined up and then she'll come back to music. She said before that she wanted her fan base to mature along with her for her next album. She's switching record labels and her next album will not be with Hollywood Records, thank God. Can't Be Tamed was her last album with them. As commercially bad as this album might be, it's better that she finished her contract with them now than have to be saddled with them as dead weight like Hilary Duff did and be forced to keep releasing Greatest Hits albums to fill up your contractual obligation for how many albums she needs to make.

I don't really expect her first non-Disney album to be pop, once or twice I've heard her say in interviews she wanted to try something like a southern Rock sound.. My personal guess is something more like Sheryl Crow. That would be better suited for her voice, she sounds really good on country type songs.

[David]

Jun 23, 2010 15:51:32 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Cyrus is trying to go from a wholesome girl next door, thanks to Hannah Montana, to someone who "can't be tamed." Sometimes an image shift like that works, other times it doesn't- it worked for Olivia Newton-John (when she became the "bad girl" in Grease and then had less-wholesome material), but others have been less successful.

And sometimes it just shocks people at first. The album could definitely turn around. After listening to it, I think there are better songs they could have released 1st instead.

Also, I think it was bound to happen either way. A big part of what helped her was Hannah Montana. Without that, the tweens with a short attention span have probably replaced her with someone else.

[singingsparrow]

Jun 23, 2010 14:36:35 GMT -5 slicknickshady said:

Recovery looks like it will do just as well as Relapse in Week 1.

I think "Recovery" will have stronger legs than "Relapse", as well.

"Relapse" simply didn't strike me as an album intended for mass commercial appeal. Even Eminem said he didn't expect "Relapse" to sell nearly as much as his previous albums and wasn't trying to go for multiple massive hits. "Recovery", on the other hand, does have a handful of tracks that scream heavy hit artillery; one of which is already exploding up the charts ("Love The Way You Lie").

"Recovery" will accomplish for Eminem what "The Blueprint III" accomplished for Jay-Z in 2009.............giving him perhaps his greatest airplay yet despite already having been massively successful on both radio and sales charts alike for over a decade.

Interestingly enough, both "Recovery" and "The Blueprint III" are among both artists' weakest-reviewed albums to date; suggesting both artists have name recognition so immense they are basically critic-proof.

Namaste,
Lisping Hibiscus

[letshavefun3]

Cyndi :(

[I Wish]

Jun 23, 2010 16:09:13 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Whatever happens, at least she was more of a phenomenon than Duff.

And that's relevant how? A lot of people were bigger phenomenons than ~Duff~. A lot of people also didn't come close.

Either way, "Can't Be Tamed" is going to peak at the same spot as "Dignity" did & with less sales, when Miley is LITERALLY everywhere.

[HolidayGuy]

^Just looking at the Disney female acts- there have been a number of Disney gals to break into the music scene, and Cyrus thus far has been the most successful. That's all. :)

Not surprised that Cyndi Lauper's album isn't projected to sell a lot. Her last album- At Last, a covers album- managed to break the top 40, but it was her first to do so in some time. The Celebrity Apprentice helped raise her profile, but probably not enough.

[Honeymoon]

Jun 23, 2010 16:59:51 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^Just looking at the Disney female acts- there have been a number of Disney gals to break into the music scene, and Cyrus thus far has been the most successful. That's all. :)

Not surprised that Cyndi Lauper's album isn't projected to sell a lot. Her last album- At Last, a covers album- managed to break the top 40, but it was her first to do so in some time. The Celebrity Apprentice helped raise her profile, but probably not enough.

This is her third album since At Last... 2005's Body Acoustic reached #112, and her 2008 dance-pop album Bring Ya to the Brink made it to #41, so I think this will sell on par with her 2008 album.

At this time of the year she really only needs to sell 10k to break the top 40, so hopefully she will make it

[I Wish]

Jun 23, 2010 16:59:51 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^Just looking at the Disney female acts- there have been a number of Disney gals to break into the music scene, and Cyrus thus far has been the most successful. That's all. :)

Duh. Well if that's the case let's bring Aly & AJ, Baby V, Tisdale, Selena G, Demi, Raven, etc into the conversation. :)

[slicknickshady]

Jun 23, 2010 16:38:04 GMT -5 @singingsparrow said:

Jun 23, 2010 14:36:35 GMT -5 slicknickshady said:

Recovery looks like it will do just as well as Relapse in Week 1.

I think "Recovery" will have stronger legs than "Relapse", as well.

"Relapse" simply didn't strike me as an album intended for mass commercial appeal. Even Eminem said he didn't expect "Relapse" to sell nearly as much as his previous albums and wasn't trying to go for multiple massive hits. "Recovery", on the other hand, does have a handful of tracks that scream heavy hit artillery; one of which is already exploding up the charts ("Love The Way You Lie").

"Recovery" will accomplish for Eminem what "The Blueprint III" accomplished for Jay-Z in 2009.............giving him perhaps his greatest airplay yet despite already having been massively successful on both radio and sales charts alike for over a decade.

Interestingly enough, both "Recovery" and "The Blueprint III" are among both artists' weakest-reviewed albums to date; suggesting both artists have name recognition so immense they are basically critic-proof.

Namaste,
Lisping Hibiscus

Yep. I have no idea what some of these critics are looking at.

All Music Guide gave SSLP, MMLP, and Curtain Call 5/5. They gave Eminem Show 4/5 and Relapse 4/5. Encore a 3/5.

They only gave Recovery .5 more than Encore. Recovery is at least on the level of Eminem Show imo.

[brb]

Can't say I'm surprised about Miley, I never liked "Can't Be Tamed".. I think her sales could still come around though if they release the right 2nd single.

Yay for Eminem! :)

[rebel.heart]

:o @ Eminem's numbers.
I was expecting Miley to do a lot better than this

[HolidayGuy]

All Music Guide, supposedly, rates albums only in comparison to the act's other albums- just a note. The Acclaimed Music site and year-end lists are more indicative of an album's overall acclaim and such.

I forgot that Bring Ya to the Brink charted at #41- close enough to top 40. :)

[felipe]

Jun 23, 2010 14:19:09 GMT -5 Oprah said:

Wow, great numbers for Eminem; I was expecting him to do well put not this well. As much as radio insists on painting him as a flop, the general public isn't having it.

That's a pretty poor showing for Miley.

General public? Not afraid has 24 million impressions, and out of those 600k are buying his album, so actually there are more people listening to him on the radio than buying his album.

[Deleted]

Jun 23, 2010 22:04:19 GMT -5 felipe said:

Jun 23, 2010 14:19:09 GMT -5 Oprah said:

Wow, great numbers for Eminem; I was expecting him to do well put not this well. As much as radio insists on painting him as a flop, the general public isn't having it.

That's a pretty poor showing for Miley.

General public? Not afraid has 24 million impressions, and out of those 600k are buying his album, so actually there are more people listening to him on the radio than buying his album.

24 Mill in audience isnt alot. He is saying even without the huge audience people like Lady Antebellum, Drake, Usher, Rihanna, ect get he is still outselling their first week totals.

Eminem countinues to pull in better album sales and digital sales than airplay.

[popindustrialist]

People always want to hear pop music, especially children and young teenagers. Last decade, pop really died on the vine and hip-hop everything replaced it. So American Idol and Disney became very successful because they offered pop music to people on their own media platforms, largely avoiding radio that had frozen them out.

But that's over. Pop is triumphant culturally once again, and it's all over the radio. The music industry is pumping it out as fast as they can record it.

Miley's Disney rebellion is coming a little late. She's so insanely overexposed as a Disney act that she's going down with the ship.

[singingsparrow]

Jun 23, 2010 23:46:05 GMT -5 @popindustrialist said:

People always want to hear pop music, especially children and young teenagers. Last decade, pop really died on the vine and hip-hop everything replaced it. So American Idol and Disney became very successful because they offered pop music to people on their own media platforms, largely avoiding radio that had frozen them out.

But that's over. Pop is triumphant culturally once again, and it's all over the radio. The music industry is pumping it out as fast as they can record it.

Miley's Disney rebellion is coming a little late. She's so insanely overexposed as a Disney act that she's going down with the ship.

I actually think Cyrus' problem is that, while I sympathize with her decision to break free of that "Hannah Montana" image that was becoming a stigma for her, she rushed ahead of herself to re-define her image to the effect that it felt forced to a large swath, if not majority, of her listeners.............and thus came across as clumsy and misguided. Hence, the disappointing first-week sales for "Can't Be Tamed".

I think Miley Cyrus can bounce back career-wise the next era if she finesses her convincing country-pop persona, but I think her days of being the pop princess are over.

Namaste,
Lisping Hibiscus

[hannah]

hilary was the guinea pig for the disney channel and hollywood records. people seem to forget all the success she had for about five years in the music game despite not being promoted well by hollywood records. congrats to eminem, who is still slaying the game.

[slicknickshady]

Eminem's just is a machine. As he say's quite a bit "I'm kind of a big deal". He is.

[Enigma.]

Miley Cyrus' career move looks just sad to me. It's never gonna work. Why?:

1) Pop acts like that might sell digital downloads but not albums (Gaga is an exception but she is more of a phenomenon and an artist)
2) She's not unique
3) The change was too sudden. She should've reinvent herself step by step

She might have big hits again someday but not with this music and image

[StarSprinkles]

Eminem has a huge appeal. I mean, I'm a pop music junkie, Broadway and Opera nerd, and I love Eminem. He's just really, really good.

[lugus15]

Jun 24, 2010 1:30:31 GMT -5 hannah said:

hilary was the guinea pig for the disney channel and hollywood records. people seem to forget all the success she had for about five years in the music game despite not being promoted well by hollywood records. congrats to eminem, who is still slaying the game.

Also, her singles would have gotten more success chartwise if it had been in the digital era.

[popindustrialist]

Jun 24, 2010 1:30:31 GMT -5 hannah said:

hilary was the guinea pig

Annette Funicello was the guinea pig.

They've been doing this non-stop for 60 years.

[PDC1987]

I can't at the Duff stans.

[#LisaRinna]

Jun 24, 2010 12:23:57 GMT -5 PDC1987 said:

I can't at the Duff stans.

IKR